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作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-6 14:08
标题: Spectral SDR 4000SL CD机为何无人关注
看媒体技术部分报道貌似不错为何没人关注?
http://www.audionet.com.tw/doc/view/sn/5118

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作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-6 14:16
发几篇枪文,呵呵

http://www.thesoundchamber.com.h ... w_Feb12_SDR4000.pdf

http://www.thesoundchamber.com.h ... e_Mar12_SDR4000.pdf

http://www.thesoundchamber.com.h ... Nov12_SDR4000SL.pdf
作者: sm163    时间: 2013-3-6 14:44
这屁股不够丰满啊不平衡
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-6 14:56
这屁股不够丰满啊不平衡
sm163 发表于 2013-3-6 14:44
呵呵,不只是屁股不丰满,连身材也不咋地你瞧她的穿着



作者: 壮士    时间: 2013-3-6 15:16
简洁大方。      
作者: 狗儿念经    时间: 2013-3-6 15:21
估计没几个人会喜欢吸入式CD机。
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-6 15:25
估计没几个人会喜欢吸入式CD机。
狗儿念经 发表于 2013-3-6 15:21
通常吸入式廉价才行,可她价格也不便宜哦



作者: hojunchun    时间: 2013-3-6 15:44
spectral本来在国内就没有被爆炒过,价格相对性能来说比较平实。此机前段时间美国有pro版的,要价8000美刀。好像用teac 金属转盘,sacd/cd一体机。各个坛口没见谁玩。不知声音表现如何?
作者: xgl890    时间: 2013-3-6 16:46
这个一进一出很重要!!!
作者: rover    时间: 2013-3-6 17:01
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    罗兄手痒啦!
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-6 18:05
这个一进一出很重要!!!
xgl890 发表于 2013-3-6 16:46
进进出出会不会把碟片搞坏掉啊?有时候按一下电脑光驱的按键时直接就把碟片弹到地上的,高档的CD机也出现这种情况就糟了



作者: 轩铭    时间: 2013-3-7 00:27
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不会搞坏碟片,它的仓下方呈V型结构,碟片的进出是通过两边的滚轮夹着碟片两侧进出的,出仓后还是夹的比较紧,要用点力才能拿出碟片,碟片不会自己掉地上,呵呵,这个吸入式的仓跟电脑可完全不一样哦
   
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 01:11
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不会搞坏碟片,它的仓下方呈V型结构,碟片的进出是通过两边的滚轮夹着碟片两侧进出的,出仓后还是 ...
轩铭 发表于 2013-3-7 00:27

英国之宝808.2好象也是这样设计的,轩铭兄有没接触过士必草SDR-4000SL啊?您蛮了解的呀?即使用滚轮夹着也会心疼碟片啊?呵呵



作者: vincentlyl    时间: 2013-3-7 08:34
对转盘的素质和耐用性表示怀疑
作者: sm163    时间: 2013-3-7 09:21
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连平衡都没有考虑个屁


   
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 09:42
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连平衡都没有考虑个屁
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 09:21
Spectral的设计师Keith O.Johnson这个老头子可能偏爱于RCA,前几代的CD机哪怕用上第一音响转盘也没平衡端口,不过他家的RCA电平输出2.5V也够高的



作者: sm163    时间: 2013-3-7 09:48
Spectral的设计师Keith O.Johnson这个老头子可能偏爱于RCA,前几代的CD机哪怕用上第一音响转盘也没平衡端口 ...
LCL123 发表于 2013-3-7 09:42

这档次的机器平衡输出应该有啊,用或不用是个人问题,输出电平再高,也不能代替平衡输出的作用



作者: 徕卡    时间: 2013-3-7 09:57
Spectral 全密封机壳,散热差,电路板长时间工作易烤焦,故障高。
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 09:58
这档次的机器平衡输出应该有啊,用或不用是个人问题,输出电平再高,也不能代替平衡输出的作用
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 09:48
可是里面又是全平衡架构A类设计的,呵呵



作者: 医神    时间: 2013-3-7 10:02
和汽车cd机芯原理一样,不会搞坏碟片。机芯设计复杂,违反最简单就是最好的机械原理,耐用性肯定不如常用的托盘式机芯,而且损坏后对维修技术要求较高。但本人对Spectral功放性能较认可,CD机希望有缘一听。如数字和音频线路设计也有它家音功放色也非常值得拥有。
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 10:02
Spectral 全密封机壳,散热差,电路板长时间工作易烤焦,故障高。
徕卡 发表于 2013-3-7 09:57
故障率高大多指的是后级吧?前级和音源大家基本都是全密封机壳的呀?

不过Spectral的前级长时间开机也是很烫的。



作者: 徕卡    时间: 2013-3-7 10:04
就前级和音源,声音到不错的。
作者: sm163    时间: 2013-3-7 10:04
可是里面又是全平衡架构A类设计的,呵呵
LCL123 发表于 2013-3-7 09:58

如果喜欢只有平衡输入输出的宝达前级,怎么用?那就傻了吧俺深受其害,AN前级没平衡输入,想试下CD机平衡效果没门



作者: 红苹果    时间: 2013-3-7 10:11
如果喜欢只有平衡输入输出的宝达前级,怎么用?那就傻了吧俺深受其害,AN前级没平衡输入,想试下CD机平 ...
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 10:04




作者: 轩铭    时间: 2013-3-7 10:38
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    听过,信息量大,速度快,乐感很好,质感很好,透明但也不缺密度,声音很有弹性,跟它的功放声底类似。很多人一看到吸入式碟仓就马上联想的电脑仓,还有认为是廉价的代表,其实正好相反,它的这个吸入式碟仓,包括英国cyrus顶级旗舰转盘都是吸入式碟仓,其设计难度其实比普通的高很多,机械震动更小。至于滚轮问题可能兄弟理解错了,它不是夹着碟片上下面进出的,而是夹着碟片两个侧面进出的,也就是碟片的边缘,根本不会伤害的碟片。
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 10:39
如果喜欢只有平衡输入输出的宝达前级,怎么用?那就傻了吧俺深受其害,AN前级没平衡输入,想试下CD机平 ...
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 10:04
买他家的东东也就贪个声音不错、价格平实,CD-ROW倒没什么,听说不是普通的CD-ROW而是供应航空专用且是玻璃镜头的,其实俺主要也是纠结于吸碟式及没平衡输出的。呵呵



作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 10:53
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    听过,信息量大,速度快,乐感很好,质感很好,透明但也不缺密度,声音很有弹性,跟它的功放 ...
轩铭 发表于 2013-3-7 10:38

谢谢轩铭兄,我明白了,既然这样设计肯定考虑很周到不会犯这种低级错误的,呵呵

前几代一直都是用第一音响转盘的,不可能为了节省成本而损坏自己名誉的,看报道此CD机对解码和时钟结合做的相当好,信息量大是理所当然的。



作者: 正在烧    时间: 2013-3-7 15:32
以前在广州听过2000,声底和她的前级声音一样.
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 16:57
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  [size=+2]SDR-4000S Pro Digital Systems Specifications
Sample Rate:44.1KHz
D/A Conversion:Four custom 24 bit DACs in double balanced configuration
Digital Filter:8x oversampling, 56 bit math 64 bit accumulator HDCD
Analog Filter:Linear phase to 28KHz
Frequency Response:DC to 22KHz +/- .3 dB (limited by encoding)
DAC Step Resolution:Better than -120dB
Digital Noise Output:100 uV peak to peak or less
Transient Overshoot:8% or less
Intrinsic Jitter:1 picosecond RMS 3-4 picoseconds peak attenuation corner frequency @ 100Hz

[size=+2]SDR-4000S Pro Analog Systems Specifications
Outputs:RCA single-ended
Output Impedance:100 Ohms
Frequency Response:DC to 1.2 Mhz -3 dB
Harmonic Distortion:Less than .001
Intermodulation(SMPTE):Less than .001
Nominal Output:.75 Volt rms
Output Voltage Swing:2.5 Volts rms maximum
Signal to Noise Ratio:Greater than 115 dB
Channel Separation:Better than 115 dB
Slew Rate:250 V/us

[size=+2]SDR-4000S Pro Power Requirements
Voltage:Factory set 120, 220, 240 VAC @ 47.5 Hz to 440 Hz
Continuous Dissipation:65 Watts

[size=+2]SDR-4000S Pro CD Transport Specifications
Controls:
Front Panel: Load Selector
Play Selector
Stop Selector
Pause Selector
Operate/Standby Selector
Time Display Function Selector
Display Brightness Selector
Scan Backward Selector
Scan Forward Selector
Previous Track Selector
Next Track Selector
Rear Panel: Spectralink Digital Interface (optional)
Main Power Switch
AC Line Fuse
IEC AC Power Connector
Compact Disc Drive:Front load type with VRDS clamping system, die-cast alloy construction
Disc Loader:Precision type with polished linear bearings
Pickup:Objective lens drive type with 3-beam laser pickup linear drive servo
Wow & Flutter:Below measureable limit (accuracy of crystal)

[size=+2]SDR-4000S Pro Mechanical Specifications
Dimensions:48cm (19") W, 10.5cm (4.25")H, 40cm (16")D
Weight:14.1 KG (46 lbs.) net




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作者: s1.4    时间: 2013-3-7 21:22
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连平衡都没有考虑个屁
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 09:21

现在我的CD8只能用RCA了,以前也是坚决反对的,但听过八度500se+CD8的RCA,你会改观的,哈!~


作者: sm163    时间: 2013-3-7 21:35
现在我的CD8只能用RCA了,以前也是坚决反对的,但听过八度500se+CD8的RCA,你会改观的,哈!~
s1.4 发表于 2013-3-7 21:22

俺不反对RCA连接,这要看系统的需求,有平衡输出更方便实惠吧



作者: guhelim    时间: 2013-3-7 21:51
对;有平衡总多个选择
作者: 红苹果    时间: 2013-3-7 21:57
[quote]俺不反对RCA连接,这要看系统的需求,有平衡输出更方便实惠吧
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 21:35 [/quote
哈,1.4兄的口味,将来也水会改变,现在是院士所没有的。


作者: sm163    时间: 2013-3-7 22:22
[quote]俺不反对RCA连接,这要看系统的需求,有平衡输出更方便实惠吧
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 21:35 [/quot ...
红苹果 发表于 2013-3-7 21:57


俺的CD平衡插还是处女呢


作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 22:26
俺不反对RCA连接,这要看系统的需求,有平衡输出更方便实惠吧
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 21:35
Spectral SDR-4000SL /Soulution 540 / emmLabs TSDX+DAC2X

您选谁?




作者: 红苹果    时间: 2013-3-7 22:32
俺的CD平衡插还是处女呢
sm163 发表于 2013-3-7 22:22

头象变了,哈,还是你厉害,保持童子功


作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-7 22:35
点评

sm163  发表于 2 分钟前
没听过


其实我想找密度好点、更细腻点、高贵点应该非540莫属吧
作者: sc90v    时间: 2013-3-7 22:56
Spectral 故障率最高是分体解码器2000,分体电源老出故障,但声音非常的好
作者: LCL123    时间: 2013-3-8 11:26









sm163  发表于 昨天 23:19
高贵细腻还是瑞士540吧


虽然鲍鱼太贵,一生中还是要尝下,哪怕是品质差点的鲍鱼540虽是合并机不是旗舰但毕竟是瑞士的也该试试,现在首先要做的是把腰包搞饱搞大哈



作者: guhelim    时间: 2013-3-8 23:53
540过20个
了没
作者: 狗儿念经    时间: 2013-3-8 23:54
540过20个
了没
guhelim 发表于 2013-3-8 23:53

20个我卖给你吧!


作者: 非常发烧    时间: 2013-8-13 11:31
Spectral 故障率最高是分体解码器2000,分体电源老出故障,但声音非常的好
sc90v 发表于 2013-3-7 22:56

容易修复不?


作者: sc90v    时间: 2013-8-13 22:19
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那要看你的水平和是否能找到器件更换。

   




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