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本帖最后由 loou 于 2013-10-26 03:07 编辑
壯士想看設計師的理念的話 這邊有我當初問他的問題和回答
Dear Loou,
thank you for your work, I know how heavy it is. But is it not a real beauty?!
It is great that Mr. Liu reviews it, since he was also the first one who reviewed the TIDAL Sunray and it helped us to support us for the right way. The TIDAL Agoria is the next step and one maybe needs to learn from it a bit to enjoy it really and to understand its nature, its core and its abilities. Sunray brings you the artists into the living room, Agoria goes even one step further – it takes you to the artist, to the concert, to the time and event of the recording… Once you get used to this clarity, every other speaker after it will show you its own colour and own interpretation.
One could think quickly, truth is not going hand in hand with emotions… The longer you hear and understand it you will agree, the opposite is the case. It is presented in an uncut fibre. Anything else is speaker philosophy ;-)…
The woofers in the Agoria are pretty big and the “fake woofers” are the best solution for an extremely clean and fast bass reproduction. They do not need to move a lot, since they do have a big surface (diaphragm area) and the little moving just shows how much reserve and headroom they still have. The passive radiators do support the very lowest frequencies and since they do have the same big surface and are even three of them – they do not move also only a little. The less a driver moves, the lower the distortion is. And since the Agoria is throwing even “10 stones into water, at different points of impact” (10 bass diaphragms) the bass should be very even and free of boomyness and actually should integrate perfectly blended into the high-midrange. One can hear the true chromatics with deep black contrast in the lowest tones. Not the typical “here I am, the big moving woofer” as most speakers do impress quickly without any deeper truth behind. Adjust the bass to what the recording us or what you like the most, Agoria can cover it all, it does not need to be the teacher, it can be also the buddy for having hifi fun. Just gain the bass out of it as you like passive or endlessly with active.
“I just feel Agoria is like a teenager with Samurai Sword walk on the street searching for someone to kill”
This is one side of Agoria, it is so damn fast and precise that one likes to “x-ray” every recording and keens for more and more… but one would be a fool if one is not taking the time to look behind this side of it – it is the perfect postman presenting the letter as it was written. It has zero coloration and shows the tiniest little timbre and both micro and macro dynamics, while having the muscles to push an enormous amount of energy and wild dynamics into the room. TIDAL Agoria showed me that Sunray was only the beginning and that one needs to be willing to learn about the true beauty of music, pure and untouched, not as we maybe like to hear it.
My first prototype of Agoria was made out of MDF, and we do the strongest braced MDF cabinets I guess since over 14 years now… It sounded first a little bit more “romantic” and we compared it side by side to Sunray. I could have lived with it and I am sure we would have find many lovers for it… But we wanted to go further, to replace the candle with the light bulb. Therefore I developed TIRALIT. Same speaker, same drivers – the only difference was the cabinet. But then I heard tones and layers beneath layers, tones in tones, colors more colorful, pure and intense then before. Then I learned even Sunray was making a bit of “filter work” in front of it.
“The resolution is very very high!!!“
In fact, there is no higher resolution speaker on the market right now. Why is that? First above all, we melt all the drivers to the fastest step responses with our Unopulse x-over technology to one single experience. The trick is not the step response alone, THIEL speakers and full range drivers can do this too (maybe not with these numbers of drivers), the trick is how the step response ends, the decay, the ringing. And for that one needs the most complex filters and a cabinet material beyond MDF. I bet you hear things no any other speaker showed you. The diamond tweeter you see and hear is unique, no one has such a thing. It has absolutely no ferrofluid inside and has a long excursion voice coil system in a special milled aluminum housing. The housing itself is being milled in a special way to prevent any resonances… And this thing inside of the TIRALIT (which has almost zero energy storage effect, extremely stiffness and hardness and still high absorption skills) plus the finest parts and caps you can get for the money (and still no one has in this size and effort behind it)… well do the math why you take a curtain away in front of the speakers compared to other speakers…
Be honesty , it sounds very amazing but I love my sunray T1 more(more smooth and like a gentleman) I am not used to Agoria a lots!!!!
Take you time with it, it is the next step, it can be the gentleman you like if you just treat it different, with a different amp or a different setup, but it can. You just needs to trust us… we know what we are doing ;-)…
And: never before it was so easy to hear the coloration of oyur equipment. Connect it with the tube amp of your choice and you will hear it the first time what it really does… And if one likes it, stay with it! Agoria is always the messenger of what you do with it. Your energy to find out and the gear is the limit only…
Some question I need to make sure with you to see if the setting is right,and tell Mr Liu asap
1. passive need to insert the jumper right? And active is remove?
YES. Passive: jumper into „ assive“.
Active: all out, direct to plus and minus bass and high-midrange. LPX to “C” and “0dB” (or plus and minus as one likes”… Active is no must, but it is an in-built “anytime later option”. Yes it kills even passive, but people shall not think passive is crap – it belongs to the best passive speakers ever built I honestly believe. But the TIDAL active technology just lifts even that to another level.
2. adjustment A, insert for flat?
”A” Passive: insert = linear upper bass, ideal for ideal systems and rooms and most realism. No jumper = more energy in the upper bass and lower midrange, more “body” for the taste.
Active: no jumper inside at all, no function.
3. adjustment C, insert for flat
“C” Inserted jumper = flat, most linear and smooth. Removed jumper = more tweeter energy (for dull systems and rooms)
4. adjustmect B, no work, insert it for good looking right?
You can do this J. Prepared for future updates, no function.
5. 4 possibilities from TWEETER JUMPER & Jumper C is
a.0dB (Adjustment C insert,no Tweeter Jumper) – Yes, Perfect!
b.5000 above+1dB (Adjustment C insert.Tweeter jumper insert) – Yes, Perfect!
c.12000 above+1dB (Adjustment C remove,no Tweeter Jumper ) – Yes, Perfect!
d.5000~12000 +1dB &12000 above +2dB (Tweeter Jumper insert & Adjustment C remove) – Yes, Perfect!
6. Mr Liu want to know the the working range of 2*7” and Bass woofer (and which 2 is real, and which 3 is fake), please also let him know the working range of Sunray’s +2db for tweeter to compare for the new design (4 possibilities)
Sunray’s tweeter adjustment is working with a parallel filter to the tweeter x-over and it is starting at 14.000 Hz.
The Agoria goes one step further, I designed another parallel filter to influence also the energy curve below that. Each activation does not contain any serial influence of the signal way thru the expensive caps and the tweeter itself.
The front firing midwoofers to play down to 50 Hz, with full level and no distortion.
The side subs do play up to 50, 65, 80 Hz and do add also with each jump 1.5 dB more to the bass level. We do this with an unique made 15 kg heavy pure copper Variocoil inductor which has only 0,08 Ohm resistance!
The tweeter is playing down to 1.800 Hz. Usually this is tricky to play it so low, but we designed a x-over which cuts it very smooth first and then with a high slope to keep the distortions extremely low.
7. Adjustment A ‘s working range, and how many dB?
It is like a “mountain” starting with 0dB at 80 Hz and ending with 0db at 160 Hz. And at 120 Hz we do have a 2 dB top of this “mountain”
8. bass Flat/Gain A/Gain B, the cross point ,and the gain is how many db?
50, 65, 80 Hz and do add also with each jump 1.5 dB more to the bass level. We made a lot of research and learned that bigger rooms do not need only more gain, also a slightly and controlled frequency boost too, this is the system behind Flat/gainA/gainB. |
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